Just for the record - 1st round picks/trades* since 2010.
2010: Isaac Smith (David Swallow Pick 1)
2011: Jack Gunston* (Coniglio #2 Note: Patton #1)
2012: Brian Lake* (Whitfield #1 Note: O'Rourke #2)
2013: Ben McEvoy* (Kelly #2 Boyd #1)
2014: Jon O'Rourke* (Petracca #2 P. McCartin #1)
2015: Ryan Burton (Weitering)
2016: Tom Mitchell*/Jaeger O'Meara* (McGrath)
2017: See 2016 (Rayner)
2018: Chad Wingard* (Walsh)
2019: Will Day (Rowell)
2020: Denver Grainger- Barras (JUH)
2021: Josh Ward (JHF)
2022: Cameron Mackenzie/ Josh Weddle (Cadman)
2023: Nick Watson/Will McCabe (F/S) (Reid)
There is no doubt that the trading of first round picks between 2010-13 were a major part of the premiership success 2014-16.
Hindsight call:
Looking at the current state of the list on the basis of playing experience, the "holes" were as much created by the later pick trades for players such as Patton & Scully (#1 2009 draft) who would have been the senior leaders, taking into account their original draft selection.
Then again, it's not where they're picked, it's how they play!
It’s starting to look like there was a lot of hubris last year - a lot of commentary amongst this community that suggested it was inevitable we would be challenging soon only question was 3, 4 or 5 years. This might be the decade we miss out on for the first time since post WW2 aka 50s. I blame the Kennett and Clarkson 2016 to 2020 years. The history books will judge that as the circuit breaker when the pride and rivalry of those two broke us. Shame on the both and I hope we take our time to make them club legends. If we are still flag less in 15 years then we know what the root cause is.
Mick there are so many factors that are going to inhibit Hawthorn from fast tracking our rebuild.Tassie will only compound who the Hawks select and where we actually finish. Jon Ralph's article pinpoints players the Hawks could have selected in a pure draft.
The Hawks athletic profile at the moment seems slight and smaller in frame compared to the rest of the competition. Age and maturity is our present problem too. Games experience is another!
I'm not sure how we are going to attract quality free agents going forward to rebalance our teams profile?
Agree with the CMac observations. My addition to that is his opponent accountability isn't up to scratch at the moment for mine and probably why Sam Isn't putting him in CBA's. So many oppo running off the back of the square untouched by our forwards. Has lead to truckloads of scores so far this season. Definitely looks down on confidence too. But he is not alone there.
If you can please read the latest Jon Ralph article 'Wreck it Ralph'.
He more or less states the draft is broken and rewards the northern states and the powerhouses of the AFL. Hawthorn and North have no hope rebuilding anytime soon with a rigged draft!
Drafts by their very nature are "biased" and can't be perfect as they are weighted to support poorer performing clubs. As to how academies and F/S picks are "supported" is being reviewed. I like the F/S connection and for the game's development to access the "first choice" athletes in the northern states, the academies are a necessity. This also means that draftees out of the other football states remain available for the other clubs as the academy players deepen the pool.
The other aspect of list management is the salary cap, so if a club is going to get a lot of "top end" talent, then to keep them, they will have to pay "unders" on the market. This makes it a matter of choice for the players as to what they want to - money or success. For Northern states, staying at home, may outweigh the pay on offer.
I always wondered if GWS had won a flag in 2019, would they have faced a player "exodus" with the players having won their flag?
If you want a pure draft, then there are broader consequences - it's a matter of personal preference.
Just for the record - 1st round picks/trades* since 2010.
2010: Isaac Smith (David Swallow Pick 1)
2011: Jack Gunston* (Coniglio #2 Note: Patton #1)
2012: Brian Lake* (Whitfield #1 Note: O'Rourke #2)
2013: Ben McEvoy* (Kelly #2 Boyd #1)
2014: Jon O'Rourke* (Petracca #2 P. McCartin #1)
2015: Ryan Burton (Weitering)
2016: Tom Mitchell*/Jaeger O'Meara* (McGrath)
2017: See 2016 (Rayner)
2018: Chad Wingard* (Walsh)
2019: Will Day (Rowell)
2020: Denver Grainger- Barras (JUH)
2021: Josh Ward (JHF)
2022: Cameron Mackenzie/ Josh Weddle (Cadman)
2023: Nick Watson/Will McCabe (F/S) (Reid)
There is no doubt that the trading of first round picks between 2010-13 were a major part of the premiership success 2014-16.
Hindsight call:
Looking at the current state of the list on the basis of playing experience, the "holes" were as much created by the later pick trades for players such as Patton & Scully (#1 2009 draft) who would have been the senior leaders, taking into account their original draft selection.
Then again, it's not where they're picked, it's how they play!
It’s starting to look like there was a lot of hubris last year - a lot of commentary amongst this community that suggested it was inevitable we would be challenging soon only question was 3, 4 or 5 years. This might be the decade we miss out on for the first time since post WW2 aka 50s. I blame the Kennett and Clarkson 2016 to 2020 years. The history books will judge that as the circuit breaker when the pride and rivalry of those two broke us. Shame on the both and I hope we take our time to make them club legends. If we are still flag less in 15 years then we know what the root cause is.
Mick there are so many factors that are going to inhibit Hawthorn from fast tracking our rebuild.Tassie will only compound who the Hawks select and where we actually finish. Jon Ralph's article pinpoints players the Hawks could have selected in a pure draft.
The Hawks athletic profile at the moment seems slight and smaller in frame compared to the rest of the competition. Age and maturity is our present problem too. Games experience is another!
I'm not sure how we are going to attract quality free agents going forward to rebalance our teams profile?
Agree with the CMac observations. My addition to that is his opponent accountability isn't up to scratch at the moment for mine and probably why Sam Isn't putting him in CBA's. So many oppo running off the back of the square untouched by our forwards. Has lead to truckloads of scores so far this season. Definitely looks down on confidence too. But he is not alone there.
If you can please read the latest Jon Ralph article 'Wreck it Ralph'.
He more or less states the draft is broken and rewards the northern states and the powerhouses of the AFL. Hawthorn and North have no hope rebuilding anytime soon with a rigged draft!
It's behind a paywall.
Drafts by their very nature are "biased" and can't be perfect as they are weighted to support poorer performing clubs. As to how academies and F/S picks are "supported" is being reviewed. I like the F/S connection and for the game's development to access the "first choice" athletes in the northern states, the academies are a necessity. This also means that draftees out of the other football states remain available for the other clubs as the academy players deepen the pool.
The other aspect of list management is the salary cap, so if a club is going to get a lot of "top end" talent, then to keep them, they will have to pay "unders" on the market. This makes it a matter of choice for the players as to what they want to - money or success. For Northern states, staying at home, may outweigh the pay on offer.
I always wondered if GWS had won a flag in 2019, would they have faced a player "exodus" with the players having won their flag?
If you want a pure draft, then there are broader consequences - it's a matter of personal preference.